Topic: සළුපිලි උනා දමා බුදුන් හමුවට යන්න
බුදුකෙනෙකුගේ යම් ධර්මයක් ඇත්ද එයනම් සත්‍යයයි. අපි ගවේෂණය කලයුත්තේ සත්‍යයි. ලෝක ධර්ම වල සත්‍ය නැත. සියලුම ලෝක ධර්ම මනසේ නිර්මාණයක් බව මම කියමි. ඔබ යම් දෙයක් පැහැදිලි කිරීමට වචනයක් ප්‍රයෝජනයට ගනීද එය මනසේ නිර්මාණයකි. සියලුම වචන අපි අනුන්ගෙන් අසා දැනගත්තෙමු. අපි ඒවා සත්‍ය යයි පිළිගන්නෙමු. එම ධර්ම තුලින් සත්‍ය සොයන්නෙමු.
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බුදු කෙනෙක් ලග දෙසනා කරන්නට ධර්මයක් නැත. නමුත් සත්‍ය වචන තුල සැගවී ඇත. ගොතම බුදුන් හින්දු ධර්මය තුල සැගවී තිබු සත්‍ය විවුර්ත කළසේක. වර්තමානයේ විවිද වූ ආගම් ඇත. නමුත් බුදු දහම ආගමක් නොවෙයි. එය දර්ශනයක් ද නොවෙයි. බුදු කෙනෙක් කරන්නේ ආගම සහ දර්ශන තුල ඇති වචන උපකාරයෙන් සැගවී ඇති සත්‍ය හෙළිදරවු කිරීමයි. නමුත් කිසිම ආගමක් තුල ලෝකය අබිබවා ගිය සත්‍ය නැත. සත්‍ය තිබෙන්නේ වචන වලින් තොරවයි. ත්‍රිපිටකය බයිබලය කුරානය හරි හෝ වැරදි යයි මම නොකියමි. නමුත් වචන ඉක්මවාගිය සත්‍ය ඕනෑම පොතක් හෝ ආගමක් තුල තිබිය හැක. මම මෙසේ කියන විට බොහෝ දෙනෙක් මට එරෙහි වන බව මම දනිමි. වචන ඉක්මවූ සත්‍ය, වචන තුල සැගවී ඇති සත්‍ය, බුදු කෙනෙකුට විවුර්ත කල හැක. නමුත් එම සත්‍යය එම සත්‍ය ප්‍රකාශ කිරීමට යොදාගත් වචන වල පදනමක් නොවෙයි. කුරානය තුල හෝ තිපිටකය තුල හෝ තිබු වචන සමුහයකින් සත්‍ය මෙයයි පැහැදිලි කලද එම සත්‍ය එම කුරානය හෝ ත්‍රිපිටකය හෝ තුල තුබූ සත්‍යයක් නොවෙයි. යම් බුදු කෙනෙක් සත්‍ය විවුර්ත කලද එම සත්‍ය බුදුන් ට අයිති ධර්මයක්ද නොවෙයි. යම් වචනයක්, මෙය ත්‍රිපිටකයෙන් හෝ බයිබලයෙන් හෝ කුරානයෙන් හෝ ගත් වචනයක් යයි වෙන්කළ නොහැකිය. ඒවා කාටත් පොදු වචන වෙයි.
කිසා ගෝතමී බුදුන් හමුවට ගියේ නිරුවතිනි. නිරුවතින් බුදුන් හමුවට ගිය ඇය රහත් විය. ඔබ බුදුන් හමුවට යන්නේ සළුපිලි ඇදගෙනය. සළුපිලි ඇදගෙන බුදුන් හමුවට ගොස් නිවන් දකින්නට නොහැකිය. සියලු සළුපිලි උනා දමා බුදුන් හමුවට යන්න. ඔබට බුදුන් දැක නිවන් දැකිය හැකිය.
කිසිම රහතන් වහන්සේ නමක් ඔය විදිහට කියන්නේ නැත. ඒ කියන්නේ නිරුවතින් බුදුන් හමුවට යන්න යැයි කියා. අධර්ම රාගයෙන් මත් වුන කෙනෙක් නම් ඔවැනි කතාවක් කියයි. කාමයන්ගෙන් මත්වුන කෙනෙක් නම් ඔවැනි කතාවක් කියයි. නිවන් දැකපු කෙනෙක් තවත් කෙනෙකුට කියන කතාවක්ද මේ කියන්නේ......! අපි නම් අහලා තියෙන්නේ නිවන් දැකපු අය බොහොම කරුණාවන්තයි කියලයි. දැන්වත් තේරෙනවද ඔහෙලා මුලා වෙලා ඉන්නෙ කියලා. අනේ මේ අසරණ යුවලට යම් සත්පුරුෂයෙක් පිහිට වෙවා.........!
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I just saw this article and I am EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED about asking us to go meet the Buddha without wearing clothes.
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Even the "Patachara" was given clothes before she met the Buddha. In fact, I have never heard that "kisa gothami" was not wearing clothes.Thanks for an awesome response!
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Anyone who knows pure Dhamma will know that meeting the Buddha without wearing clothes is insane. Also, please don't divide Dhamma for adults only / children. Buddhism is for everyone who has wisdom.
I don't know what kind of knowledge or wisdom made you come to a conclusion that I was still a kid. I wish it was true so I could go back to my childhood.
By the way, please don't insult my parents for allowing me to use the computer simply because it's a decision of myself to use the computer for that fact that I was a student of Computer Technology and Higher Mathematics in the University of Cambridge GCEINTA/L.
Please know facts before judging others.
Thank you.Dear Chamath
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Don’t worry. It is just joke. Any way I will delete my comment. Please don’t take my explanations as it is. Buddha’s teaching in not the worldly. It is beyond the knowledge. but I try to explain some thing using the words from standard worldly things. When I say please don’t take standard (sammuthiya) meaning. Here I try to tell you that you cannot see the truth with colours (casts religions nationality etc). If you need to see the truth you have to remove your Buddhist cloth. They are the cloths that you are wearing.your සළුපිලි is your knowledge. everybody who see the truth give up the cloths. you cannot see the truth with your cloths.
over a year ago · · Report · Delete Post"It is just joke."
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Please don't waste the valuable time by telling jokes.
Seriously, I thought this group was for exploring the truth. But now it seems like this group is also for jokes. What kind of a group is this? Exploring the jokers or something?
"When I say please don’t take standard (sammuthiya) meaning."
But I don't think that the Buddha has ever said those kinds of things such as "removing clothes and meeting the Buddha".
"If you need to see the truth you have to remove your Buddhist cloth. They are the cloths that you are wearing."
"your සළුපිලි is your knowledge. everybody who see the truth give up the cloths. you cannot see the truth with your cloths."
I'm not commenting about this meaning right now. But anyway I knew that you would probably be giving a hidden meaning of it. If not, it could have been so dumb if you were really asking us to see Buddha after removing our clothes.
Next time, I think it is better to give clear and direct statements in the first post itself so it may not become ambiguous.
Thank you.You say, "your සළුපිලි is your knowledge."
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btw I got another explanation from Wasundara Sewwandi.
"What he (Dr.Tissa) says is that, Patachara when to Buddha by keeping her "මමත්වය නමැති සළුපිලි", away. If you also go to Buddha by keeping it away, you will see the truth. Unless you may not be able to see the Buddha trough yourself. Don't try to see trough your knowledge, but beyond that, coz truth is beyound what you've been taught."
Explain what's right? See, you can give more than one meaning, right? That's why it is best to give the actual meaning in first post.Don’t worry about the worlds. Some one can see the truth through funny story. That is the way of see the truth. Buddha always do this kind of thing (it is called vadarshana). Peole are covered by the words and time. Definitely I will save your time if you stay with me. Otherwise you will spend millions of Kalpa to see the truth by effort. In my main article, I have not mention the mean of cloth etc, If I say directly something, you would understand it and stop your ‘seeing’. This is not the path to truth. Buddha says ‘come and see’. Here there is no any understanding process. This path is against to flow (please don’t try to swim against the flow of river to see the truth).
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Buddha does not tell anything directly because truth cannot preach. Therefore Buddha use sammuthuya to explain some thing beyond the sammuthiya. Bur unfortunately many people cannot see what Buddha said.
King Koshol never understood the Buddha’s word. King Kosol was coming every day and accumulate Dhamma in his mind. Then Gothama Buddha said “don’t eat too much”. What king Koshol did? He reduced his meal 16 nali to 4 nali. Like many understood my article ‘සළුපිලි උනා දමා බුදුන් හමුවට යන්න.’ King koshol knew all the dhamma what Buddha preached. But he is still in the sansara. Fortunately, Ven. Ananda has seen the Buddha’s word after Buddha’s parinirvana.Both are give same meaning. If you say cloth, it means knowledge. If you say shirt, it mean ‘මමත්වය’. මමත්වය (self view) is also knowledge. Wasundara’s statement is better than my one. Because one you eliminate self view, you eliminate the knowledge too.
over a year ago · · Report · Delete Post"Then Gothama Buddha said “don’t eat too much”."
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Wait, the Buddha told him not to eat much because eating too much is not healthy. King Kosol one day told him that he eats so much so the Buddha advised him to reduce food.
So, after reducing, he came to meet the Buddha and King Kosol was appreciated, right?What Budda can do rather than appreciate the King Kosol’s action? Buddha knew that he cannot see the vision. But I say you “don’t be a King Kosol”. Try to get inside meaning of Buddha’s word.
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It seems that you have misinterpreted the true story. The King Kosol once chatting with the Buddha, and the Buddha was told that he eats a lot.
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So, the Buddha asked, "King, isn't that unhealthy to eat that amount? Try to reduce the amount you're eating".
So King Kosol reduced eating and after a time he came to meet the Buddha and told his happiness because he was feeling good and healthy.
Then the Buddha said,
Health is the greatest profit (Arogya parama Laba)
Happiness is the greatest wealth (Santhuttiko Paraman Dhanan)
Trusted person is the greatest relation (Vishvasa parama gnathi)
Nirvana is the greatest (relaxation?) (Nibbanan Paraman Sukan)
I think you always try to get so called "inside meaning" for everything for things even the Buddha didn't mean. Your inside meaning for this may suit but unfortunately, in this case, the Buddha advised him to reduce food to become healthy.
If Buddha wanted King Kosol to know to reduce hearing the Dhamma, the Buddha would have said it so. If Buddha knew that King Kosol is a stupid man, then why did the Buddha tell him that kind of a thing with implied meaning by knowing that King Kosol wouldn't be able to understand?Look at amazing dhamma in your comments. But you cannot see them. Still you are getting only standard meaning. Yes, arogya parama laba. But you have no ‘arogya’ may you have ‘arogya’ today but it is guaranty for tomorrow?
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Yes, Sunthuttiko Paraman Dhanan. But can you have sunthuttiya in your whole lfle?
Yes, Vishvasa Paranama Ghathi. Do you have?
Yes, therefore Nibbana Paraman Sukan. Here Buddha clearly say that without nirvana (beyond the knowledge) you cannot find arogya, sunthusttiya, vashvasaya. Can you?
Here Buddha explains the qualities of the nirvana. Even not the King Kosol most of Buddhist explain this in standard way. They are still in the sansara like King Kosol.
I challenge you; you cannot find any ordinary person with arogya, sunthusttiya and visvasa in his whole life.If you have arogya, sunthustti and visvasa clearly I can say that you attained the nirvana.
about 12 months ago · · Report · Delete Post"But you have no ‘arogya’ may you have ‘arogya’ today but it is guaranty for tomorrow?"
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A Lord Buddha gave advices how to become healthy. I think you've heard about that monk who lived for 160 years old without any disease.
"Yes, Sunthuttiko Paraman Dhanan. But can you have sunthuttiya in your whole lfle?"
Yes, why not ?
"Yes, Vishvasa Paranama Ghathi. Do you have?"
Yes, I have.
"I challenge you; you cannot find any ordinary person with arogya, sunthusttiya and visvasa in his whole life."
Yes, but I didn't mean for the whole life. But we could get relatively higher of those things if we do certain things to achieve them.You have all the qualities (Suntusti etc) in your whole life once you attain the nirvana.
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I write here something that is not the truth. But someone can get ‘Santhusti’ (parama Danaya) through my writing. If you already have ‘Santhusti’ in your whole life, I need not to spend my time for you. One day if you realize there are no any santhustis in your whole life, please contact me. Definitely I will help you.
Untill Now I am not going to answer your other Q. I am not the health instructor to give you instructions for long life (160 years)."One day if you realize there are no any santhustis in your whole life, please contact me. Definitely I will help you."
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Can you again please read my answer ? I said, "Yes, why not", I didn't say "I'm happy all the life time". I meant it may be possible to be happy. Suffering is something else.OK, two type of listeners come to Buddha. First types of listener accept the buddha’s words and do action to find the arogya and happiness. They grab only the outside meaning of the words. These types of listeners are called King Kosol. They reduce their weight to find the arogya and happiness (like King Kosol). This type of listeners (kings) die outside of their Palace.
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The second type of listeners do not accept the Buddha’s word. They are not finding the arogya and happiness by reducing the weight (like king Kosol). They have suspicion with Buddha’s word and argue with Buddha (like you). Finally they ‘see’ (‘see’ beyond the six senses) the Buddha’s word and have the unconditional arogya and happiness. He/she live without illness aging and death. The second types of listeners are called ‘King Kakille’.
You can become ‘King Sakvithi’ before see the Buddha.
Finally he/she see that the all illness aging and death are in the knowledge.
You have to pass three Kings to see the Buddha.
But did Lord Buddha say, "Don't get the standard meaning, get the inside meaning".
about 12 months ago · · Report · Delete PostIf buddha say ""Don't get the standard meaning, get the inside meaning" what happen you? you get standaed meaning of "Don't get the standard meaning, get the inside meaning".
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"you get standaed meaning of "Don't get the standard meaning, get the inside meaning"."
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Actually, the standard or inside or any special meaning of the statement "Don't get the standard meaning, get the inside meaning" is simply asking us to take inside meaning except standard meaning.yes, all ways see inside neaning.
about 12 months ago · · Report · Delete PostThat's why I asked whether Lord Buddha asked us to get the inside meaning...
about 12 months ago · · Report · Delete PostYes, but please don’t hang on word “yes”. Because, you have to get inside meaning of the ‘yes’ to see the truth.
about 12 months ago · · Report · Delete PostYes ? Where ?
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So what is the inside meaning of "Yes" ?
I guess Lord Buddha have said the word "Yes" for some times or for so many times, right ?Some one come to Buddha and says “I follow the five precepts.” Buddha says “yes, it is good”. All most every Buddhist people think five precepts are Buddha’s teaching because he says “yes, it is good”. You cannot see here mean of ‘yes’ until see the truth.
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Hmm.. This is a big debate.. But why don't you try to think beyond what you said? I think Tissa has made a good point on the gaatha Lord Buddha preached.. We should all try to to think with our minds if it is true or not. mere debating will not suffice.
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I see that Tissa has not mentioned the 'meaning' of arogya.... and other things there. Then you guys have sterted arguing without getting to the main point, which is the meaning of the gaatha...."All most every Buddhist people think five precepts are Buddha’s teaching..."
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Lord Buddha said that gihi's "nithya sil" (absulute sil?) as pansil and (Atasil?) for pohoya.
@ Chamath, If you have not 'see' at least single damma explained by Nobel Tissa, I don't know what to say. How sad, why these people can't 'see' this. I will give you a task. try to find out what is the meaning of 'Shudda Damma' in Karaneeya Mettha Sutra. Also try to find more about Gutama Buddh's Prithi Wakya after he attained nibbana.....starting as 'Nahi Sila Wathan Hethu Uppanjanthi Thathagatha - Attakkara ThiniPada Sambuddena Prakashitha'.
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I simply said about five precepts that Lord Buddha has advised and you're criticizing simply because I said something Lord Buddha has advised ? How sad...
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostI am not criticizing the any kind of precepts. But anyway Buddha is not a adviser.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete Post@ Chamath, Try to find out what is the meaning of 'Shudda Damma' in Karaneeya Mettha Sutra. Also try to find more about Gutama Buddh's Prithi Wakya after he attained nibbana.....starting as 'Nahi Sila Wathan Hethu Uppanjanthi Thathagatha - Attakkara ThiniPada Sambuddena Prakashitha'.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostDear Chamath, this is nother good thing to 'see'. If you are telling that reason why Buddha appears to this world is to tell about 5 precepts. I would love to tell that Maya Devi were taking 8 precepts when she was pregnant. So do you think that Gutama Buddha come to this world to teach 5 precepts to us????????? you must be joking... i think you are the one who insulting buddha teachings ('damma'). What buddha said to Paswaga Mahanun is 'Pubbe Ananusathesu Dammesu'. This mean, damma preached by any buddha is not common, you have not heard before.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostAt least open you eyes now.......
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostAre you really sure that my eyes were never open ?
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I'm afraid, but did I say that Lord Buddha come to the world just to tell us about five precepts ? When did I tell that kind of a thing ?
I said about an advice the Lord Buddha gave: gihi's nithya sila as pansil and atasil for pohoya. What is your problem with this Lord Buddha's advice ?@ Chamath, read what you post............
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'Lord Buddha said that gihi's "nithya sil" (absulute sil?) as pansil and (Atasil?) for pohoya.'How funny......
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostRead my post again: 'Lord Buddha said that gihi's "nithya sil" (absulute sil?) as pansil and (Atasil?) for pohoya.'
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Does it give you a meaning "Lord Buddha came to the world only to teach us five precepts" ?Does it give you a meaning that Loard Buddha come to the world to teach something other than five precepts?
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostDo you need a Buddha to get advice about five precepts?
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostNo more comments..........
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostI only said the Lord Buddha's advise about gihi's nithya sil and pohoya atasil, it is one of the many things Lord Buddha has said. I'm afraid but you seem to have misunderstood me as if I have said something like "Lord Buddha only teaches five precepts".
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostYou are not getting me, why don't you get the exact/core teaching of buddha. What i am asking do you need a buddha to know about five precepts. Buddha do not need to tell about five precepts, because it was already established in the Brahmana damma befor the buddha appear to this world.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostAccording to Buddha, there is no life on this universe. So how come Buddha advised about five precepts.....No. 1 in the five precepts is 'About killing life'. If buddha did not see any life on this universe, do you think buddha advice us to follow five precepts??????
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete Postfive precepts is not buddha damma, its Weadha/Brahma damma.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostSee your deep sleep, there you have your 'nithya sil'. Never changing sil.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete Post"Buddha do not need to tell about five precepts, because it was already established in the Brahmana damma befor the buddha appear to this world."
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Well of course, Lord Buddha said that a long time ago even before Siduhath Prince was born, people never killed lives. But later "Bili Pooja" were started by people.
So, didn't Brahma Dhamma have "Bili Pooja" ? It's a violation of 1st precept. Lord Buddha advised for "things" without Bili Pooja. So Lord Buddha is the one who revealed the truth.
"According to Buddha, there is no life on this universe."
Then why did Lord Buddha say that a new born is born to the human world after the sexual intercourse of a man and a woman ?
Why did Lord Buddha say that some life beings are born with eggs ?
Why did Lord Buddh say that "Not believing opapathika world exists" is mithya dhrushti ?
What's about this universe without life ? Did Lord Buddha say that there is no life in this universe ?
"No. 1 in the five precepts is 'About killing life'. If buddha did not see any life on this universe, do you think buddha advice us to follow five precepts??????"
He saw the lives that's why he saved people's lives. If there was no life, does he need to preach Dhamma to get rid of lives ?
Why did Lord Buddha say that getting rid of killing lives increases life span ?:-)
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostWell done.
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about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostTell me honestly, did you get any single answer to the questions you raised in this group so far...??????
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostWhich fulfill your question.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostGood.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostOops, sorry, I missed the condition "Which fulfill your question."
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostAlso, there was ancient Kama Sutra in India which people were using to get the maximum sexual pleasure, only Lord Buddha explained the danger of this. Lord Buddha said that getting sensual pleasure at the dying moment will directly make the person go to hell after death. If it weren't for Lord Buddha, people will never get to know the danger of Kama.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostDid you say "Well done." for my previous post because it's right or did you say it sarcastically ? Is there something wrong with that post ?
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostBtw, Dr. Tissa, sorry I forgot to say, no I didn't say that you were criticizing any precepts, it wasn't you who I was referring to.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostMy statement: "Well of course, Lord Buddha said that a long time ago even before Siduhath Prince was born, people never killed lives. But later "Bili Pooja" were started by people."
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Hope no one gets confused with this. I meant the Lord Buddha's explanation of the nature of people who had lived a long time ago before Lord Buddha appeared in the world.In short to your long set of question....
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1) Buddha has said many thing about this Sansarik World, such as about humans, deva, brahma, yaksha.....egg.....ganddabha....five presepts. This Sansarik world is the illusion. This is what we have to 'see'. This is how buddha explain about Sanasrik matters.
2) Buddha explained about Thathagatha Darshanaya (using the sansarik words). This is what all Lokotthara damma revealed.
Befor preaching the Lokotthara damma, buddha first preach/explain 'where we are' (that is sansarik damma). Then only buddha preach Lokotthraa damma.
Also what buddha said about Birth('Jathi') is 'Skandanan Pathubawo, Ayathananang Patilabho, Ayan Ujjathi - Jathi'. Not a child birth from mothers womb. Child birth from mothers womb is a 'mulawa' we have. When one come to Anagami (Na+Agami) pala, he who will see there is no mothers womb.
Finally i like to tell you that all my post/replies are not with regards Sansarik matters.
Is there a world without, "Sansarik world", as you say ?
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If Siduhath princes was also born from mother's womb, would there be Lord Buddha's or Arahath without a mother's womb ?Chamath,
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Q. Is there a world without, "Sansarik world", as you say ?
A. I said Sansarik world is an illusion. I did not mentioned about any other world (one day if i see any other world without "Sansarik world" i definitely will let you know). But you can ask from Nobel Tissa since he has seen the illusion (sansarik world).
Q. If Siduhath princes was also born from mother's womb,
A. This is also a mulawa. Have you ever seen your birth?? Have you ever seen you Death???
Q. Would there be Lord Buddha's or Arahath without a mother's womb ?
A. Samma SamBuddha = Arahantha -> is beyond birth/death."Have you ever seen your birth?? Have you ever seen you Death???"
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Did you mean, "Have I seen myself coming out of mother's womb ?"
Well, if someone video me with a camera coming out of mother's womb. then, I could watch how I came out of mother's womb.
Also, I've seen animals and people suffering before death. They struggled. They suffered. They were helpless. They were crying.
"Samma SamBuddha = Arahantha -> is beyond birth/death."
He had to be born to the human world for the final time. Didn't he look for a good place to be born ? He looked for something like...certain "five" things ?
When he attained Buddhahood, he eliminated rebirth.Listen to Masters damma sermons several times. If you cannot 'see' anything. I'm sorry.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostThanks for the advice. Yes, I want to see the truth.
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Well most people would say that I came out of mother's womb 'cause they might have seen that. "Beeja Niyama" stated by Lord Buddha, explains why children could have physical appearance closer to their parents.
I know that "knowing" and "learning" about mother's womb don't make you to attain Nirvana. But why do we need to escape from the truth that we were born because of mother's womb even when Lord Buddha said about "mav kusa" ?
What happens when you kill all the women on the planet Earth ?
As you stated, mother's womb doesn't make you to attain Nirvana. But why do you want to say that mother's womb doesn't exist ?
Even Lord Buddha said that Maha Prajapathu Gothami that she was his mother for about (200?) births.
Can't we keep the appreciation to our mothers for their sacrifices for us ? When you say that you weren't born out of womb, you're saying something like you don't have a mother.Listen to Masters Damma Sermons, he is a Buddha. This message i can give, rest is up to you.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostThere is no difference between Dhamma preach by different Lord Buddhas.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostFirst listen then talk.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostYes, of course, I might be going to listen. I've listened some in Youtube, yeah I know that doesn't seem to be enough.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostTry to find what Gutama Buddha said to Yakkha Alawaka. Then you will see the importance of listening.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostFaith is the greatest profit, something like that ?
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NO, Faith & Believe both going against to see the truth...
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I didn't mean blind faith. I meant "Shraddha". It's the greatest wealth ?
Also, it should be "Akaravathi Shraddha", right ?@ Chamath, Sorry I have no idea about the meaning of those two words that you have mentioned. If you don't mind could pls illustrate those words further more....
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Dear Chamath funny thing in our life is the neglected relativity.
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We may fight for something that assuming(or accepting) it is the truth.Chamath's has accepted one thing as true and relative to that try to understand Dr.Tissa.
Believe me you won't be able to describe fire with water.But you can accept each as true and can give a relative meaning (like they are opposite dhamma.)
Even if change the cycle won't make a difference.Such that you reject history data and accept Dr.Tissa each time acceptance survive.Try to see things with out your accepted
things.To that you don't have to do anything.
Normally we don't understand what exactly the sermon's target.But hearing it again and again will clear many things
.I things you question is the good memory you have.My mother also like that.So I understand you more than others.
I normally remember things little and face to sermon freshly I mean I don't care about history even can't remember what Dr.Tissa say but I can see his words.
I mentioned all this to see something or get a idea about others.
Don't worry about any things.There is no way to go.
There is no mind to make understandable.Every things need sometime to settle.But somehow you have to stop arguing with memory data.I know it's not easy to you.
You are with the side effect of a good memory.
Say something on it chamath then we can modify your processor.
Some day you will see that no one can modify your processor it's you who can do it.
Lord Buddha said to remmeber Dhamma and remind it over and over again and follow it.
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Bad memory could be a result of bad Karma; same thing that happened for a small monk who couldn't memorize any "gatha" but he attained Nirvana.Yes, you've got to face the reality.
about 11 months ago · · Report · Delete PostChamath how do you know some thing is right before remember it .There you go, again you accept it.u may input a data that is true.
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There is no mind to make correct try to see the false only true always exist as it is.That's there is no way to go.No limit to improve your mind.What did I accept ?
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We've got to use wisdom to take what is right.Hey chamath don't say things that lord buddha had said this and this until you know exactly.(it's true that we normally do it,but be carefull)In case it will be a mud to lord Buddha's word
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In to some extent but you can't continue because wisdom is not a part of truth.
Truth remain nothing and also with the word nothingLord Buddha said to remmeber Dhamma and remind it over and over again and follow it.you accept that.But if you could see it it's better I mean is , whether lord Buddha said that .
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Things are coming without memory if you see the point.But one point doesn't explain another point.If you clear one point and not clear second point then memory do nothing only seeing skill will do clearing point of second point.Memory doesn't do the main roll here.Greate stuff Dilupa. very good explanation of the situation. coz some of my friends also have same issue.
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( you have nicely put in to the words.)
"You'll see those days masters sermons very hard to get.Now it's better.You know what make's the difference is change of way I see and it's not the master."
well done & thank you........
I know I have no right to say like this to Chamath...but I wanted to tell this also....... I saw Upul was keep on tring to show the same meaning to you...as Dilupa said>> "Chamath's has accepted one thing as true and relative to that try to understand Dr.Tissa." <<
Coz I also went same way.....Thanks ravi,And also thanks to Master siriwardana and Dr.tissa who help me to change my track through myself.
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they really help us to solve our wrong equation which is Human=Buddha nature+ 6 sensers data.
How do you know that I have accepted one thing and relative to that try to understand ?
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Have you accepted one thing as true and relative to that try to understand Lord Buddha ?
What do you think about Karma ?
"Sorry I have no idea about the meaning of those two words that you have mentioned. If you don't mind could pls illustrate those words further more...."
Are you honestly asking me to explain the word "Shradhdha" or are you pretending that you have never heard of it ?"What do you think about Karma ?" to whom Karma is vaild that is we should explore...
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I'll show u a scenario to see what is Karmaya --- "there is vehicle traveling with a bunch of people say 20 ppl. All of them has give a Orange (fruit). The vehicle met with an accident and all of ppl dead? we define this as Karma of that bunch of people...
then we see about Oranges they had... All of Oranges destroyed..... do we say Karamaya had been effected to Oranges also...
Decision is up to u Chamath.>>
"Are you honestly asking me to explain the word "Shraddha" or are you pretending that you have never heard of it ?"
What I said was I don't know the meaning of ""Akaravathi Shraddha"
Yes I relay don't know the meanings>> ( I usually don't pretending for the questions in this group.)
"there is vehicle traveling with a bunch of people say 20 ppl. All of them has give a Orange (fruit). The vehicle met with an accident and all of ppl dead? we define this as Karma of that bunch of people..."
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Karma can also result for a (sudden) death.
"then we see about Oranges they had... All of Oranges destroyed..... do we say Karamaya had been effected to Oranges also...
Decision is up to u Chamath."
It doesn't need to be anyone's decision. You might also ask whether it's the Karma of the bus itself to get damaged in the accident.
Karma is the intention. If you kill a person having an intention to kill, it results for a Karma.
"Karma is the intention. If you kill a person having an intention to kill, it results for a Karma."
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no Result is Vipaka, Action is Karma.... & Intention is the Chethana
Action is NOT Karma. You can do the same action with different intention. For example, think about a doctor who does a surgeory. He will "cut" the body parts with the intention of curing. But another person can "cut" the body parts with the intention of killing. Depending on the intention, Karma will occur. Sometimes, when the surgeon performs the surgeory, the pateint might die. But if the surgeon didn't have an intention to kill, it doesn't cause for karma of killing.
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Vipaka is caused by karma. Intention (Chethana) is Karma.yes action is not karma.
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Vipaka is not caused by karma. The karma and vipaka both are caused by knowledge. 'karma' and vipaka' are simultaneous process.
පැරණි බෙර කඳ අතුරු දහන් වී ඇන හැකිල්ලම පමණක් ඉතිරි වුකල අතීතයේ කරන ලද කර්මය, වර්තමානයේ හෝ අනාගතේ විපාක දෙන්නේ යයි කියති. . (ආණි සුත්‍රය බලන්න)Do animals have knowledge ?
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No chamath I'm not telling only to you,It's for all even me if you not like that then you are in the truth.it's the propery of this illusion. so you only may not be out of that any way.The way you questioning I can see it. even i quetioned that would be like that.There is no Questiones and answeres in truth.
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Now see that ,you may think you got a answer for a certain question sometimes but it doesn't make any sense for truth as there is no Ques and Ans for truth.
So don't worry on too answers but to see thr truthI know your next question.Then how to see that.
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There is no way to explain that's why this is so hard in one point in another point it is the easiest because you don't have to do any thing.hard and easy them selves are only word don't rely on them
If you found the way you will see that you are silent in inside and nor explanation
but keep listening to saddamma till .........................Yes, I listen to Sadhdhamma and I'm asking about questions about contradictive things posted here. It's not funny to say that mother's womb doesn't exist. Dilupa, weren't you born from the mother's womb ? Is your answer "I didn't see how I was born so I'm not telling that I was born out of womb".
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Seriously, if all of us men go to the hospitals and see how our wives sometimes suffer and struggle to deliver the baby from the mother's womb from normal birth, then you would be able to see. Don't you have a sympathy for them ? Do you still deny mother's womb ? If suffering is caused by knowledge, what about the women who learnt nothing from teachers or gurus but suffer like hell ?
If you say that animals are not in HELL, what about the animals who suffer like HELL before they are killed ? I suggest everyone to see the website http://www.meat.org/and see yourself how animals struggle and cry before death. Don't you have a compassion for these animals ? And why someone asked to respect animal killers ?
Why do you want to deny your existence and create fantasies for truth ? If everything is illusion as you say, there is no need to earn money and there is no need to get married and there is no need to have children and there is no need to use Facebook either.
If animals ARE NOT in hell and humans ARE in hell, tell me, then, if we humans start acting like animals and follow the "animal way" of living, would we get out of hell ?
For example, I have heard that kittens even have sexual intercourse with their mother cat. So, if we imitate these cats and start having sex with our mothers, tell me, will it lead us to get rid of hell by becoming like animals ?
It is a serious disgrace to the entire human kind to underestimate the mind. Humans have the capability of seeing the truth. How many kalpa we may have suffered in hell, animal worlds before becoming a human. The blood poured when a living being was slaughtered during the entire Sansara is even more than the enitre ocean, as Lord Buddha said. Now you might also say, "Don't say what Lord Buddha said".
Lord Buddha revealed what ordinary people can't see. Lord Buddhas can see the "unseen world" that cannot be seen by ordinary humans. I think you may have heard of (Mugalan Arahath?) who travelled to a (Hell world?) and brought information about the hell so people could know what it's like so they wouldn't do bad things that make them go to hell.I don't want upset you too much chamath, taking deeply that to your mind pls see this.
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My answer is I don't know whether I came from mother's womb or from a ocean or from cocunut .
I'm serious here the data I have in my concious mind is (remember)that I ate ,play,cried etc when I was growing little by little,and no data of how i born from eye,ear etc.I'm 100% sure that,I can swair it even at katharagama devalaya
Now pls just be honust there it is true and no doubt.
When I little bit grew I saw women having big stomach and she was delivered a child with a certain time.
from that instant onward (now relative to that you can start thinking -what is meant by relative is if you haven't see or heard any kind of child birth you don't have any guess on your birth .Luckly it's not.)
Ok now let me check I also having same picture like the one who born
and let me see aaaar i seeeee I also came like that to the world.
(world that is you already have some data and from it you also got the data of a child birth.)
If i say "no" that I'm sure you want to kill me,
so i say yes you are right relative to the seen you saw.
that mean if you choose relative thinking pattern then then you will defenitely interpret your birth from that what you saw.
Or if you decide to see relatively non relative buddha nature then you will be lock because you can't preceed relative things to non relativeness.Then no katha no sina.
I used relatively non relativeness that because to honour buddha nature.
That mean I'm not explaing buddha nature here.
why,can you guess
See how word created.
You see ,or feel something then you use sound to produce a letter and then a word.
That word is created from a sense data only.Then how can be a word (or sence data) used to represent non sence buddha nature.If i use it then it will be relatively lie.
On that basis I don't say buddha has describe the buddha nature.But buddha has told something but not about buddha nature.So that how once path exist to see buddha.so when you see buddha nature you use no any sermon(all sermons based on sensed words/sence data come as duality+,- or relative/non relative).
So what we do of these kind of writing is just clear 6 sense data properties and it errors not the buddha nature which still out of our teritory where relatively say that should be seen.
So if choose relativeness then you have to take care of all killers,and to be killed's
till you killed by cause and effect.
or you can buddha nature that there exist not any thing or questions like above.(Here don't mis understand buddha nature is nothing or no existing..... but it not explained and non explainble as cleared above)
pls pls pls don't say you didn't get it.Do not just read it any way use any wisdom you have"My answer is I don't know whether I came from mother's womb or from a ocean or from cocunut ."
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Mr. Dilupa, you made me laugh when you said you aren't sure whether you were born from a COCONUT ? Hehe, perhaps that's one of the best jokes I've ever heard :)
It's alright. I don't know whether you're married or whether you're a father or whether you're single. But, if you become a father one day, I suggest you to go to the Labour Room when your wife delivers the baby.
According what I've heard, (most) hospitals in Sri Lanka do not normally allow husbands to visit their wives in labour, if so please let me know because my brother is studying gynaecology so I might be able to get a special permission for you. Then, you would be able to go near to your wife and you will be able to decide for yourself whether babies come out of vagina, coconuts, or oceans.
"If i say "no" that I'm sure you want to kill me,"
Don't worry, I won't kill you :)
"pls pls pls don't say you didn't get it. Do not just read it any way use any wisdom you have"
I read your whole post. I might comment about other things later. It's past midnight right now :)
Mr. Dilupa, shall I ask a simple question ? If someone kills a person with a knife with the intention of killing, does Karma for killing occur or is it just "penetrating a knife through a body" and there's nothing special about it ?Chamath say “Then, you would be able to go near to your wife and you will be able to decide for yourself whether babies come out of vagina, coconuts, or oceans.”
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This is the way of study (getting knowledge). It has always doubt. First you see the where come from your son, then it would apply to you. As example, you have seen many death bodies. Then you would apply it to you. Ohh one day I would die??????? What will be the cause of your death? Cause of your death is your grandpa’s death.
Unfortunately many people apply this doubtable knowledge to see the truth. This is the joke.
Chamath say “If someone kills a person with a knife with the intention of killing, does Karma for killing occur or is it just "penetrating a knife through a body" and there's nothing special about it ?”
It is called ‘yamakaya’. But you cannot see it. Coz you are covered by the knowledge (ඇණ හැකිල්ල). You have to remove the ඇණ හැකිල්ල to see the බෙර කඳ.But 100% sure on one thing that you didn't get anything.nevermind
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I also saw in the fb nice word that god google.He is the answer. he can show how child is delevered to the world.
put your all question in to a room and lock it for a while.
you are trying to put two opposite thing together(boddha is not opposite to any dhamma but out of it but any way let say only to explain)
You are putting water to the fire then will get nothing .So better let fire as it is and water as it is.
Killing a person is illegal and persons like us also have brahma data that will lead to deep confusion.(but you see we know that killing a person is not good but killing terrorist
,then we closed our eyes and stay as we didn't see it because our theory does not match every where because it is relative the certain occation)
so don't kill enebody and I don't accept killing.Ok that's from world side.
Now let's go to Buddha side now we don't see a person here so as nothing to kill
there is no killing action to see coz there is no one .The word kill created relative to life when there is no life even there is no word "killing"
But if you do onk there is no person let me kill them all.wow Then I say stop where ever you are,it's contradiction and it's a insult to both buddha and world.
So you better live you life as it and when you want see truth just find as it is and don't mix up every thing there is way you can understand any thing from mixing.
Buddha is not explainable with word so any way in reality there is no mixing.
We can mix only our own soup cups not the buddha.That's why nobody can damage the buddha.you can understand any thing from mixing.
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Pls corect above as
you can not understand any thing from mixing.
in the last paragrafh above
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